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Installation & New Work

Bathroom Plumbing

Rough-in through final fixture set for new bathrooms, renovations and one-fixture replacements, planned around the dimensions the layout has to respect.

Rough-in dimensions decide the layout

Every bathroom drawing eventually meets a set of fixed numbers. A standard toilet rough-in is 12 inches from the finished wall to the centre of the flange, though 10 and 14 inch rough-ins turn up regularly in older Toronto houses and the toilet has to match. There is a minimum clearance either side of the toilet centreline and a required clear space in front. A tub waste has to sit where the joists allow an access point.

None of that is negotiable, and it is why a beautiful plan can fail on paper. A 36 inch vanity, a toilet and a linen tower along one 90 inch wall looks fine in a rendering and then loses to the clearance requirement by two inches.

We check the layout against the rough-in numbers before anything is ordered. If a plan does not work we say so early, and there are usually a couple of ways to rearrange it.

Shower valves, scald protection and valve depth

Showers and tub-shower combinations need a pressure-balancing or thermostatic mixing valve. That is the device that stops the shower from going scalding when a toilet flushes somewhere else in the house, and it is a code requirement rather than an upgrade. Moen Posi-Temp and the Delta MultiChoice universal rough are common choices because the rough valve is standardized and the trim can be changed years later without opening the wall.

The detail that gets missed is depth. Every valve body has a range showing how far it can sit behind the finished surface, and that finished surface is backer board plus waterproofing membrane plus thinset plus tile. Guess the assembly thickness wrong and the trim plate either floats off the wall or the stem is too short to reach it. We confirm the build-up with whoever is tiling before the valve is strapped in place.

Older houses bring a second issue. A modern pressure-balance valve fed by 1/2 inch galvanized that has scaled down internally will behave badly no matter how well it is installed, because it is being starved. Replacing the branch piping while the wall is open is the fix.

Tubs, walk-in showers and the waterproofing handoff

A tub and a walk-in shower are different jobs below the finished floor. A tub uses a waste and overflow assembly that has to stay reachable, so somebody has to decide at rough-in whether that access comes from an adjacent closet, a removable panel, or the ceiling below. A walk-in shower uses a bonded drain body that ties into the waterproofing, either a centre drain or a linear drain along one edge, and the membrane clamps or bonds to it. Schluter and Hydro Ban each have their own drain, and they are not interchangeable.

That creates a handoff. We set the drain and the rough-in, the waterproofing goes on, and a flood test proves the pan before a single tile is set. Where the tile setter is doing the membrane we agree on the drain in advance so the parts match. Skipping the flood test to save half a day is how a shower leak becomes a ceiling repair.

Curbless showers deserve a separate warning. A flush entry usually means dropping or furring the floor structure, which is a framing decision as much as a plumbing one, and on a second floor over a finished ceiling it is not always possible.

Toilets, carriers and venting a relocated vanity

Floor-mount toilets are straightforward: a flange set level with the finished floor, a proper seal, and bolts that are not overtightened into a cracked base. Wall-hung toilets need a steel carrier and an in-wall tank, so the wall has to be deep enough to take it, usually 2x6 or furred out. In a condo or a small powder room the floor space you gain is real, and so is the cost of building the wall to suit.

Moving a vanity is where venting comes up. The trap arm has a maximum developed length for its size, and it can only fall so much over that run before it siphons its own trap. Push a sink far enough from the stack and it needs a new vent, which means opening a wall up to the vent connection.

An air admittance valve is sometimes accepted as an alternative. We use them where they suit the situation, but they are a mechanical device with a moving part sitting inside a wall, they have to stay accessible, and an inspector may not accept one where a conventional vent could reasonably be run. If we recommend one, we will tell you why the alternative was worse.

Questions

Bathroom Plumbing, answered.

What is the standard toilet rough-in measurement?

Twelve inches from the finished wall to the centre of the closet flange is standard. Ten and fourteen inch rough-ins exist and show up fairly often in older Toronto homes, so the measurement should be confirmed before a toilet is ordered. Offset flanges can bridge a small discrepancy, but they restrict the outlet and are a compromise rather than a fix.

Can the shower drain be moved in a bathroom renovation?

Often yes, though the limit is set by the joists rather than the plumbing. The new drain needs continuous fall to the branch, and the pipe has to run within the floor structure without cutting anything that is holding the floor up. Over an unfinished basement there is usually room. Between two finished floors, sometimes not, and we will tell you before you commit to a layout.

Do I need a permit for bathroom plumbing in Toronto?

Replacing a fixture in the same location generally does not require a permit. Adding a bathroom, relocating drains, or altering supply and vent piping does, and the permit is pulled under a licensed plumbing contractor with an inspection at rough-in before the walls are closed and again at final. We handle the application and the inspection scheduling.

Why does my shower go cold when someone flushes the toilet?

That is a shower without a working pressure-balancing valve. The flush pulls cold water away from the mixer and the temperature swings. Older two-handle valves have no protection at all, and worn cartridges in newer valves stop compensating. The fix is either a cartridge replacement or a new pressure-balance valve body, which means opening the wall behind the shower.

Can you install a wall-hung toilet?

Yes. It needs a steel carrier frame and an in-wall tank set inside a wall deep enough to house them, typically 2x6 framing or a furred-out wall, and the carrier has to be fastened to structure and set at the right height before anything is closed in. It works well in condos and small powder rooms. It is not a swap you can make after the fact without opening the wall.

Who does the shower waterproofing, the plumber or the tile setter?

Either, depending on the job, and it should be decided before the drain is bought. The drain body has to match the membrane system, so if your tile setter is using a bonded sheet membrane we set the matching drain. What we will not do is set a drain, walk away, and leave the two systems mismatched. We also want the flood test done before tile goes on.

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